Comments on: ColdFusion Not Dead - But It Could Be Better http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/ ColdFusion, Ant, jQuery and other geeky stuff with the occasional motorcycle post. Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:27:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: rey http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-5011 rey Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:52:32 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-5011 "If, on the other hand, Flex is pitched to them and they love it, and start looking at code for flex+php/java/ruby and then see how extremely easy CF is maybe they’ll be more likely to give it a fair chance." (Adam Fortuna) Again, the wrong approach. By making Flex have different routines to call a CF server than a Java or PHP server Adobe is trying to pull people to their crappy backend product through their kinda cool frontend product. That's a very Microsofty tactic, and it turns off serious developers, especially those interested in the open source mentality. “If, on the other hand, Flex is pitched to them and they love it, and start looking at code for flex+php/java/ruby and then see how extremely easy CF is maybe they’ll be more likely to give it a fair chance.” (Adam Fortuna)

Again, the wrong approach. By making Flex have different routines to call a CF server than a Java or PHP server Adobe is trying to pull people to their crappy backend product through their kinda cool frontend product. That’s a very Microsofty tactic, and it turns off serious developers, especially those interested in the open source mentality.

]]> By: rey http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-5010 rey Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:49:41 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-5010 Coldfusion is just the wrong approach. A proprietary version of an open source J2EE server being loaded with a proprietary version of an open source PDF library and fitted with an interpreter for a proprietary scripting language is not my idea of a good web development platform. Why doesn't Adobe just sell some Java libraries to create Flash and PDFs? That would be more useful. But then they could basically repackage a couple of open source technologies and make a killing off of it, nor could they please oldschool script kiddies who never became mature developers. Coldfusion is just the wrong approach. A proprietary version of an open source J2EE server being loaded with a proprietary version of an open source PDF library and fitted with an interpreter for a proprietary scripting language is not my idea of a good web development platform. Why doesn’t Adobe just sell some Java libraries to create Flash and PDFs? That would be more useful. But then they could basically repackage a couple of open source technologies and make a killing off of it, nor could they please oldschool script kiddies who never became mature developers.

]]> By: GTF http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3745 GTF Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:33:36 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3745 The Google Trends was interesting ... looks like Canada and the US Federal Government (Washington, Colorado, Ga, etc seem to have a bigger CF than .. (cobol) following ... as for trends ... I like www.tiobe.com ... they have a nice index of Programming Languages. CF is 28-32, powerbuilder, the bottom 50 ... The Google Trends was interesting … looks like Canada and the US Federal Government (Washington, Colorado, Ga, etc seem to have a bigger CF than .. (cobol) following … as for trends … I like http://www.tiobe.com … they have a nice index of Programming Languages. CF is 28-32, powerbuilder, the bottom 50 …

]]> By: The Feed-Squirrel Blog » Blog Archive » ..An open question to Adobe http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3379 The Feed-Squirrel Blog » Blog Archive » ..An open question to Adobe Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:09:09 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3379 [...] comparative cost with other application server products (ASP.NET, PHP etc etc). See Adam on Life, the crumb and even Feed-Squirrel for a small sample.  This is why I was somewhat stunned to see that Adobe [...] [...] comparative cost with other application server products (ASP.NET, PHP etc etc). See Adam on Life, the crumb and even Feed-Squirrel for a small sample.  This is why I was somewhat stunned to see that Adobe [...]

]]> By: Chris Peterson http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3282 Chris Peterson Tue, 29 May 2007 11:43:54 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3282 I didn't see any way to ping your blog back, so here was a quick reply to your post =) http://www.cfcode.net/index.cfm/2007/5/29/Why-is-Coldfusion-so-expensive#more I didn’t see any way to ping your blog back, so here was a quick reply to your post =)

http://www.cfcode.net/index.cf.....nsive#more

]]> By: Adam Fortuna http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3281 Adam Fortuna Fri, 25 May 2007 20:26:51 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3281 I hate to say it, but I think pushing flex+CF might actually drag flex down in the minds of people who already have a bad opinion about CF. If, on the other hand, Flex is pitched to them and they love it, and start looking at code for flex+php/java/ruby and then see how extremely easy CF is maybe they'll be more likely to give it a fair chance. One new pitch at a time, then people can go from there. I hate to say it, but I think pushing flex+CF might actually drag flex down in the minds of people who already have a bad opinion about CF. If, on the other hand, Flex is pitched to them and they love it, and start looking at code for flex+php/java/ruby and then see how extremely easy CF is maybe they’ll be more likely to give it a fair chance. One new pitch at a time, then people can go from there.

]]> By: Tariq Ahmed http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3280 Tariq Ahmed Fri, 25 May 2007 18:53:44 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3280 Well, ya you have to be sketpical of what any so called 'journalist' writes - they don't write for truth, they write for ratings (although that's supposedly against their code). You know the saying, any press is good press. Sometimes companies will do something negative on purpose to upset a lot of people and all the buzz that results in it. Imagine if someone like CNET put together a serious looking article on why Java is dying, everyone would be in an uproar. Well, ya you have to be sketpical of what any so called ‘journalist’ writes - they don’t write for truth, they write for ratings (although that’s supposedly against their code).

You know the saying, any press is good press. Sometimes companies will do something negative on purpose to upset a lot of people and all the buzz that results in it.

Imagine if someone like CNET put together a serious looking article on why Java is dying, everyone would be in an uproar.

]]> By: cfJeff http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3279 cfJeff Fri, 25 May 2007 18:14:39 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3279 Great points. Hope somebody at Adobe is paying attention. Managers actually read this junk and believe it. BTW: My Allaire t-shirt is a little worn these days. And nothing is cooler than the CF logo. Great points. Hope somebody at Adobe is paying attention. Managers actually read this junk and believe it.

BTW: My Allaire t-shirt is a little worn these days. And nothing is cooler than the CF logo.

]]> By: Bruce http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3278 Bruce Fri, 25 May 2007 16:25:36 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3278 I was hoping that Flex 2.0's popularity would spur more companies and developers to adopt ColdFusion since Flex and CF works so well together. Flex remoting is built into CFMX 7. All the other languages (PHP, Java, ASP .net) neet an extension and/or Flex Data Services. But Adobe has done nothing to promote a Flex front-end/CF backend. Now that major books are rolling out about Flex it is going to get even worse. The Programming Flex 2.0 book from O'Reilly barely mentions CF as a backend language (but does mention several times PHP, Java, ASP .net). Adobe's Flex Developer's Center has lots of articles on how to use Flex with Java and ASP .net (but not many recent ones on Flex and CF). I had high hopes that Flex 2.0 would provide a major increase in companies using CF. So far, I don't think that's happening. I was hoping that Flex 2.0’s popularity would spur more companies and developers to adopt ColdFusion since Flex and CF works so well together. Flex remoting is built into CFMX 7. All the other languages (PHP, Java, ASP .net) neet an extension and/or Flex Data Services.

But Adobe has done nothing to promote a Flex front-end/CF backend. Now that major books are rolling out about Flex it is going to get even worse.

The Programming Flex 2.0 book from O’Reilly barely mentions CF as a backend language (but does mention several times PHP, Java, ASP .net). Adobe’s Flex Developer’s Center has lots of articles on how to use Flex with Java and ASP .net (but not many recent ones on Flex and CF).

I had high hopes that Flex 2.0 would provide a major increase in companies using CF. So far, I don’t think that’s happening.

]]> By: Ciqala Burt http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3277 Ciqala Burt Fri, 25 May 2007 15:21:27 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2007/05/25/coldfusion-not-dead-but-it-could-be-better/#comment-3277 "(along with Powerbuilder YES!)" ... as a former powerbuilder developer (now doing CF) i can only echo that sentiment. :) “(along with Powerbuilder YES!)”

… as a former powerbuilder developer (now doing CF) i can only echo that sentiment. :)

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