Comments on: Vince Bonfanti Interview on DZone http://thecrumb.com/2008/03/27/vince-bonfanti-interview-on-dzone/ developer | thinker | tinkerer Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:30:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mark Flewellen http://thecrumb.com/2008/03/27/vince-bonfanti-interview-on-dzone/#comment-763 Mark Flewellen Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:00:15 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2008/03/27/vince-bonfanti-interview-on-dzone/#comment-763 I use the developer edition for whatever CFML server I am developing on. I guess the concern I had was is it illegal to create a virtual machine running a developer edition and distribute this in the workplace for other developers to develop on. By the sounds of things it is not. It would be nice for some of the CFML distributions to have a vmware image that you can download to trial a development server though. I use the developer edition for whatever CFML server I am developing on. I guess the concern I had was is it illegal to create a virtual machine running a developer edition and distribute this in the workplace for other developers to develop on. By the sounds of things it is not.

It would be nice for some of the CFML distributions to have a vmware image that you can download to trial a development server though.

]]> By: Sean Corfield http://thecrumb.com/2008/03/27/vince-bonfanti-interview-on-dzone/#comment-762 Sean Corfield Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:52:48 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2008/03/27/vince-bonfanti-interview-on-dzone/#comment-762 @Mark, you don't say which product / edition you're talking about so it's hard to answer. Read the Adobe ColdFusion EULA here: http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/ The current version is this PDF but always check the above page in case it has been updated: http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/AdobeColdFusion8EULA_06-06-2007-FINAL_Combined.pdf The relevant quote is here: "Except as otherwise expressly provided in this Agreement, in the event Virtual Machines are installed on a Computer, each such Virtual Machine shall be deemed to operate the Software on 2 CPUs (each, a “Virtual Machine CPU”), and the total number of Virtual Machine CPUs plus the total number of physical CPUs on such Computer, shall be counted together for the purpose of applying the limitations described in this Section 1.10(a)." It goes on to explain that Development Edition licenses are per-server (and therefore not bound by VM issues); Standard Edition licenses are per-CPU (and *are* bound by the above CPU calculation for VM systems); Enterprise Edition licenses are per-physical-CPU (and are not bound by VM CPU calculation). For New Atlanta's BlueDragon Open Source Edition, the license - GPL - mandates that any bundle containing the original work (BD OS) must be GPL'd in total. So you could create a VM bundle that uses all GPL software and includes BD OS and your own GPL'd software. You could not, however, bundle your commercial / closed source application with BD OS - you'd have to ship your app separately with instructions on how to d/l and install BD OS. That is why GPL is considered both the "most open" open source license as well as being a "viral" license. Hope that helps? However, I am not a lawyer. @Mark, you don’t say which product / edition you’re talking about so it’s hard to answer.

Read the Adobe ColdFusion EULA here:

http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/

The current version is this PDF but always check the above page in case it has been updated:

http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/AdobeColdFusion8EULA_06-06-2007-FINAL_Combined.pdf

The relevant quote is here:

“Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this Agreement, in the event Virtual Machines are installed on a Computer, each such Virtual Machine
shall be deemed to operate the Software on 2 CPUs (each, a “Virtual Machine CPU”), and the total number of
Virtual Machine CPUs plus the total number of physical CPUs on such Computer, shall be counted together for the
purpose of applying the limitations described in this Section 1.10(a).”

It goes on to explain that Development Edition licenses are per-server (and therefore not bound by VM issues); Standard Edition licenses are per-CPU (and *are* bound by the above CPU calculation for VM systems); Enterprise Edition licenses are per-physical-CPU (and are not bound by VM CPU calculation).

For New Atlanta’s BlueDragon Open Source Edition, the license – GPL – mandates that any bundle containing the original work (BD OS) must be GPL’d in total. So you could create a VM bundle that uses all GPL software and includes BD OS and your own GPL’d software. You could not, however, bundle your commercial / closed source application with BD OS – you’d have to ship your app separately with instructions on how to d/l and install BD OS. That is why GPL is considered both the “most open” open source license as well as being a “viral” license.

Hope that helps?

However, I am not a lawyer.

]]> By: Jim http://thecrumb.com/2008/03/27/vince-bonfanti-interview-on-dzone/#comment-761 Jim Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:50:51 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2008/03/27/vince-bonfanti-interview-on-dzone/#comment-761 I don't think it's 'illegal' for your own use - but I don't know about the legalities of bundling that up and re-distributing it for example on the VMWare Appliance web site. I don’t think it’s ‘illegal’ for your own use – but I don’t know about the legalities of bundling that up and re-distributing it for example on the VMWare Appliance web site.

]]> By: Mark Flewellen http://thecrumb.com/2008/03/27/vince-bonfanti-interview-on-dzone/#comment-760 Mark Flewellen Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:45:50 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2008/03/27/vince-bonfanti-interview-on-dzone/#comment-760 why is it illegal to create a virtual machine using the developer edition is it to do with the license. I have created virtual machines using CF8, BD7, Smith (yet to create a railo image), to test applications. I set these up using Centos from scratch. I find this a great way to develop and setting up a new developer becomes extremely easy, especially when you start to use ANT to deploy to the virtual machine or deploy live etc. why is it illegal to create a virtual machine using the developer edition is it to do with the license. I have created virtual machines using CF8, BD7, Smith (yet to create a railo image), to test applications. I set these up using Centos from scratch. I find this a great way to develop and setting up a new developer becomes extremely easy, especially when you start to use ANT to deploy to the virtual machine or deploy live etc.

]]> By: Sean Corfield http://thecrumb.com/2008/03/27/vince-bonfanti-interview-on-dzone/#comment-759 Sean Corfield Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:51:55 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/2008/03/27/vince-bonfanti-interview-on-dzone/#comment-759 It was a really good interview. I know Dan wasn't exactly sympathetic to New Atlanta or BlueDragon so I think the questions were very probing and Vince's answers illuminate a lot of the questions that some people seem to have around this announcement. As I said on my blog, the announcement makes perfect sense to me and I really hope the community will get behind this effort and show that we're more than a small, isolated group of developers tied to a "proprietary" product. I've challenged the community in the past to go out and "convert" a non-CFer and I think this project is a great opportunity for us all to go out and evangelize our favorite technology to PHP, ASP, ASP.NET, Java and even Ruby and Groovy people. This is an opportunity for our community to grow and to push the boundaries. If the BlueDragon Open Source project is successful, it will bring more and more developers into the CF community, writing CFML, buying BlueDragon, buying Railo, buying ColdFusion. If the project fails, we'll need to look at ourselves as a community and ask how committed are we really to CF? It was a really good interview. I know Dan wasn’t exactly sympathetic to New Atlanta or BlueDragon so I think the questions were very probing and Vince’s answers illuminate a lot of the questions that some people seem to have around this announcement.

As I said on my blog, the announcement makes perfect sense to me and I really hope the community will get behind this effort and show that we’re more than a small, isolated group of developers tied to a “proprietary” product. I’ve challenged the community in the past to go out and “convert” a non-CFer and I think this project is a great opportunity for us all to go out and evangelize our favorite technology to PHP, ASP, ASP.NET, Java and even Ruby and Groovy people. This is an opportunity for our community to grow and to push the boundaries.

If the BlueDragon Open Source project is successful, it will bring more and more developers into the CF community, writing CFML, buying BlueDragon, buying Railo, buying ColdFusion. If the project fails, we’ll need to look at ourselves as a community and ask how committed are we really to CF?

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