Comments on: Open-source Killing Commercial Tools (IDE) http://www.thecrumb.com/2008/06/10/open-source-killing-commercial-tools-ide/ ColdFusion, Ant, jQuery and other geeky stuff Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:01:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Jim http://www.thecrumb.com/2008/06/10/open-source-killing-commercial-tools-ide/#comment-5937 Jim Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:30:27 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/?p=462#comment-5937 Larry - I agree. Maybe the ideal would be to have something like CFEclipse as a base platform - and then each of the CFML vendors could provide plugins for their special features - either as open-source solutions or commercial products? Larry - I agree. Maybe the ideal would be to have something like CFEclipse as a base platform - and then each of the CFML vendors could provide plugins for their special features - either as open-source solutions or commercial products?

]]> By: Larry C. Lyons http://www.thecrumb.com/2008/06/10/open-source-killing-commercial-tools-ide/#comment-5936 Larry C. Lyons Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:28:21 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/?p=462#comment-5936 Perhaps the commercial suite is dead, but there is a very thriving add on market. For instance with Eclipse there are several commercially available variation, Aptana and Genuitec's MyEclipse come to mind. The real point with these ide tools is that they provide a genuine added value. If you look at what you get with MyEclipse vs. Eclipse or other tools, then the $30 to $60 subscription fee is worth it. Perhaps the commercial suite is dead, but there is a very thriving add on market. For instance with Eclipse there are several commercially available variation, Aptana and Genuitec’s MyEclipse come to mind. The real point with these ide tools is that they provide a genuine added value. If you look at what you get with MyEclipse vs. Eclipse or other tools, then the $30 to $60 subscription fee is worth it.

]]> By: Jake Munson http://www.thecrumb.com/2008/06/10/open-source-killing-commercial-tools-ide/#comment-5931 Jake Munson Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:54:18 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/?p=462#comment-5931 "The tools market is dead." Heh...typical SlashDot silliness. Personally I don't pay for dev tools, so for me the "tools market" is indeed dead. But let's not forget about Visual Studio. And off the top of my head I can name a few more, Code Gear (formerly Borland), Active state's IDEs (popular in the Perl crowd), and of course Adobe has a few very popular tools that they sell. As far as ColdFusion, I'd love to see Adobe release an improved IDE. I like CFEclipse, but let's face it, it's pretty buggy. Mark Drew has done some excellent work, and he has received some help from others, but frankly the project seems stagnant. There are still some pretty serious bugs in the Editor that can cause you to lose work. “The tools market is dead.” Heh…typical SlashDot silliness. Personally I don’t pay for dev tools, so for me the “tools market” is indeed dead. But let’s not forget about Visual Studio. And off the top of my head I can name a few more, Code Gear (formerly Borland), Active state’s IDEs (popular in the Perl crowd), and of course Adobe has a few very popular tools that they sell.

As far as ColdFusion, I’d love to see Adobe release an improved IDE. I like CFEclipse, but let’s face it, it’s pretty buggy. Mark Drew has done some excellent work, and he has received some help from others, but frankly the project seems stagnant. There are still some pretty serious bugs in the Editor that can cause you to lose work.

]]> By: Adam Haskell http://www.thecrumb.com/2008/06/10/open-source-killing-commercial-tools-ide/#comment-5926 Adam Haskell Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:33:38 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/?p=462#comment-5926 If you look at the Java market (admittedly much larger than our CFML community) there are 3 viable projects doing well. Of those projects there are 2 free solutions and one commercial. The commercial offering has done very well and gaining market share. As much as I am a cfEclipse advocate it really would not take too much to get me to pay 300 or so bucks for an IDE. Not to imply the few features I want would be easy, else I would put them in cfEclipse, but the feature count is small. Refactoring help, CFC intellisense and built in file deployment features are top of my list. The last one I accomplish right now with ANT but a robust built in solution would be a very nice feature (I am looking into using WTP's server plugins to accomplish this right now). If you look at the Java market (admittedly much larger than our CFML community) there are 3 viable projects doing well. Of those projects there are 2 free solutions and one commercial. The commercial offering has done very well and gaining market share. As much as I am a cfEclipse advocate it really would not take too much to get me to pay 300 or so bucks for an IDE. Not to imply the few features I want would be easy, else I would put them in cfEclipse, but the feature count is small. Refactoring help, CFC intellisense and built in file deployment features are top of my list. The last one I accomplish right now with ANT but a robust built in solution would be a very nice feature (I am looking into using WTP’s server plugins to accomplish this right now).

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