Comments on: Spoiled By Software And My Disappointment With Bolt http://thecrumb.com/2008/11/19/spoiled-by-software-and-my-disappointment-with-bolt/ developer | thinker | tinkerer Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:30:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gerald Guido http://thecrumb.com/2008/11/19/spoiled-by-software-and-my-disappointment-with-bolt/#comment-1089 Gerald Guido Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:56:06 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/?p=594#comment-1089 I too have been waiting. I cannot express how much I want to get my mitts on Bolt. CF has not had a vendor supported dedicated IDE in like 5-6 years. I have kludged together an Eclipse install with 3-4 plugins and my own home brewed code generators to get by. As much as I love them, HomeSite and CFStudio just don't cut it any more. Let's face it, every other web based language, platform, framework etc has a dedicated, enterprise grade IDE EXCEPT for CF. DW is good but it is not an IDE. Not like VS or Aptana, Flex builder, NetBeans or Eclipse for Java (or for that matter Eclipse for PHP or JS and AJAX libraries or Python or ROR etc. etc...). All it takes is a passing experience with any of the above IDE's to see what CF developers are missing out on. I am very happy that Adobe is addressing this issue. MS gets it. Like Steve Balmer said: "developers, developers, developers". It is all about developer mind share. I too have been waiting. I cannot express how much I want to get my mitts on Bolt. CF has not had a vendor supported dedicated IDE in like 5-6 years. I have kludged together an Eclipse install with 3-4 plugins and my own home brewed code generators to get by. As much as I love them, HomeSite and CFStudio just don’t cut it any more. Let’s face it, every other web based language, platform, framework etc has a dedicated, enterprise grade IDE EXCEPT for CF. DW is good but it is not an IDE. Not like VS or Aptana, Flex builder, NetBeans or Eclipse for Java (or for that matter Eclipse for PHP or JS and AJAX libraries or Python or ROR etc. etc…). All it takes is a passing experience with any of the above IDE’s to see what CF developers are missing out on.

I am very happy that Adobe is addressing this issue. MS gets it. Like Steve Balmer said: “developers, developers, developers”. It is all about developer mind share.

]]> By: Mark http://thecrumb.com/2008/11/19/spoiled-by-software-and-my-disappointment-with-bolt/#comment-1088 Mark Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:55:53 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/?p=594#comment-1088 http://www.iterateme.com/blog/index.cfm/2008/11/19/MAX-and-Me-Day-2 - Introspection on components in a project so that when you create an object, you get a the "intellisense" drop-down list of methods in that object, as you would in Flex Builder - Introspection on queries on the current document, giving you a drop down of columns in each query It shouldn't be a cfeclipse clone. CFEclipse doesn't have intellisense. http://www.iterateme.com/blog/index.cfm/2008/11/19/MAX-and-Me-Day-2

- Introspection on components in a project so that when you create an object, you get a the “intellisense” drop-down list of methods in that object, as you would in Flex Builder
- Introspection on queries on the current document, giving you a drop down of columns in each query

It shouldn’t be a cfeclipse clone. CFEclipse doesn’t have intellisense.

]]> By: Jim http://thecrumb.com/2008/11/19/spoiled-by-software-and-my-disappointment-with-bolt/#comment-1087 Jim Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:23:51 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/?p=594#comment-1087 Henry - from what I understand from the various sources - Mark Drew was involved somewhat but it's not a 'fixed' version of CFEclipse. It's a new tool entirely. Henry – from what I understand from the various sources – Mark Drew was involved somewhat but it’s not a ‘fixed’ version of CFEclipse. It’s a new tool entirely.

]]> By: Henry Ho http://thecrumb.com/2008/11/19/spoiled-by-software-and-my-disappointment-with-bolt/#comment-1086 Henry Ho Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:20:07 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/?p=594#comment-1086 I just hope they've ironed out the bugs in CFEclipse, and not just selling a code generator addon. I just hope they’ve ironed out the bugs in CFEclipse, and not just selling a code generator addon.

]]> By: Jim http://thecrumb.com/2008/11/19/spoiled-by-software-and-my-disappointment-with-bolt/#comment-1085 Jim Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:36:01 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/?p=594#comment-1085 Oh I'm excited!!! Just disappointed I can't play with it RIGHT NOW. :) It will be interesting to see how they market it vs. Dreamweaver. Will they strip out CF stuff from DW and make it more a design/HTML tool? I also think unless the price is really competitive they are going to have a tough time marketing it. My company already has invested in DW and lately MyEclipse. Are the new features in Bolt going to enable me to justify buying yet another tool? Oh I’m excited!!! Just disappointed I can’t play with it RIGHT NOW. :)

It will be interesting to see how they market it vs. Dreamweaver. Will they strip out CF stuff from DW and make it more a design/HTML tool?

I also think unless the price is really competitive they are going to have a tough time marketing it. My company already has invested in DW and lately MyEclipse. Are the new features in Bolt going to enable me to justify buying yet another tool?

]]> By: Jake Munson http://thecrumb.com/2008/11/19/spoiled-by-software-and-my-disappointment-with-bolt/#comment-1084 Jake Munson Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:21:42 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/?p=594#comment-1084 Personally I was very excited about the announcement. I have been using CFE for a couple of years now, and in general I am happy. But I would like to see some unity in the CF IDE world. I heard Ben Forta say once that about 1/3 of the community uses CFE, 1/3 uses Dreamweaver, and the rest fit in the Other category (Homesite/CF Studio, text editor, etc.) I think if new CF developers had a definitive choice from the creators of CF, the language will be stronger in the long run. That said, I work with a group of developers that all use Dreamweaver. When I sent out an email about Bolt, nobody had anything to say. I think they are not very happy about it (or they don't care) because they like Dreamweaver. So it will be interesting to see how well this is received by those that aren't currently using Eclipse. Especially since Eclipse has a learning curve. Personally I was very excited about the announcement. I have been using CFE for a couple of years now, and in general I am happy. But I would like to see some unity in the CF IDE world.

I heard Ben Forta say once that about 1/3 of the community uses CFE, 1/3 uses Dreamweaver, and the rest fit in the Other category (Homesite/CF Studio, text editor, etc.) I think if new CF developers had a definitive choice from the creators of CF, the language will be stronger in the long run.

That said, I work with a group of developers that all use Dreamweaver. When I sent out an email about Bolt, nobody had anything to say. I think they are not very happy about it (or they don’t care) because they like Dreamweaver. So it will be interesting to see how well this is received by those that aren’t currently using Eclipse. Especially since Eclipse has a learning curve.

]]> By: Jim http://thecrumb.com/2008/11/19/spoiled-by-software-and-my-disappointment-with-bolt/#comment-1083 Jim Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:44:46 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/?p=594#comment-1083 I agree but still a lot of unanswered questions. Cost vs. issues. As you said - free = tolerance to issues. Will the features of the new IDE justify the cost? What happens to CF features in Dreamweaver? And I'm really curious if/how it will support the other CF engines. Will Adobe expose the code generation stuff to be able to support Railo and OpenBD? I agree but still a lot of unanswered questions.

Cost vs. issues. As you said – free = tolerance to issues. Will the features of the new IDE justify the cost?

What happens to CF features in Dreamweaver?

And I’m really curious if/how it will support the other CF engines. Will Adobe expose the code generation stuff to be able to support Railo and OpenBD?

]]> By: John Farrar http://thecrumb.com/2008/11/19/spoiled-by-software-and-my-disappointment-with-bolt/#comment-1082 John Farrar Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:37:07 +0000 http://www.thecrumb.com/?p=594#comment-1082 Looks like your thread of IDE discussions isn't flowing the way you expected. I am also frustrated by the LOOOONG wait for the next IDE. CFStudio has long been missed. We will see what can be done with this new IDE. (And though CFEclipse is a nice stop gap it has issues. We could state it like this... if Adobe shipped a product with the same issues we would be less gracious than we are for a free open source effort. Not trying to find fault... my point is we expect more than we have now from Adobe and my expectation is they will achieve at least that very well.) Looks like your thread of IDE discussions isn’t flowing the way you expected. I am also frustrated by the LOOOONG wait for the next IDE. CFStudio has long been missed. We will see what can be done with this new IDE. (And though CFEclipse is a nice stop gap it has issues. We could state it like this… if Adobe shipped a product with the same issues we would be less gracious than we are for a free open source effort. Not trying to find fault… my point is we expect more than we have now from Adobe and my expectation is they will achieve at least that very well.)

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